Friday, May 26, 2006

Debunking the Debunkers Who Debunk the Debunkers

Is not all that difficult. On our sidebar, you'll see a link to 9-11 Myths, which is a terrific site dedicated to debunking the Truthers. Mike presents a myth, then proceeds to shatter it, with logic and links to source data.

So obviously what is required from the 9-11 "Truth" movement is for somebody to debunk 9-11 Myths. And indeed, somebody named Chris Morganti has provided that noble service, for which he is often cited by Loosers on their forum.

Unfortunately, even a brief look at Morganti's site reveals it is not up to the task of proving or disproving anything. His "debunking" of 9-11 Myths consists mostly of saying "I don't believe that."

Check out his discussion of "foreknowledge".

On the claim that Ashcroft stopped flying commercial planes after a credible threat (true with regard to official business, although Ashcroft continued to fly commercial when taking private trips), and that this indicated foreknowledge of 9-11, 9-11 Myths provides three links to debunk the foreknowledge nonsense. Morganti's response?

All this proves is that John Ashcroft lied about not being warned to fly. Also, Michael Moore is most definitely NOT part of the 9/11 Truth movement. Michael Moore totally white washed 9/11 in his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11.

No links, no logical argument, just an assertion.

On the warning that Willie Brown received (true) from Condoleezza Rice (false), Mike provides a logical argument, buttressed by links to two newspaper articles. Chris responds with this:

All this proves is that Mayor Willie Brown didn't take Condoleeza Rice advice. The thing you have to think about is, is it just a coincidence so many public officials decided not to go to New York, or not to fly on the day of September 11th?

I think you get the picture. We don't have to worry too much about the folks debunking the debunkers. They're bunk.

8 Comments:

At 26 May, 2006 09:30, Blogger James B. said...

LOL That is pretty lame. This is his response to a long and detailed explanation of the mistaken indentities behind the "hijackers are still alive" theory.

His response is not true, for the reason that the Hijackers[sic] saw there[sic] names and photos on television and actually went to the American embassy in Saudi Arabia and told the authorities that they wanted there[sic] names and photos taken off the FBI most wanted list.

 
At 26 May, 2006 15:28, Blogger nes718 said...

Is not all that difficult. On our sidebar, you'll see a link to 9-11 Myths, which is a terrific site dedicated to debunking the Truthers. Mike presents a myth, then proceeds to shatter it, with logic and links to source data.

911myths isn't really a good source of information. All they do is make "educated guesses" at a lot of their "debunking" and really don't back it up with anything else. There are a lot of "it was a coincidence" or "it could have actually" or "they're seeing too much into this" type of suggestive assumptions.

 
At 26 May, 2006 16:04, Blogger shawn said...

911myths isn't really a good source of information. All they do is make "educated guesses" at a lot of their "debunking" and really don't back it up with anything else.

Better than your uneducated guesses without any support, no?

Although your characterization of the site is totally false anyway.

 
At 26 May, 2006 16:22, Blogger nes718 said...

Although your characterization of the site is totally false anyway.

Not really. Take the email from Chertoff, not corroborating facts accompany it. They could just be making it up.

But the Bollyn article has his mother on record corroborating it. If the 911myth site was factual, there would be some official release Certoff in PM is not actually related to Chertoff in Homeland Security. To date, no official clarification of the matter has been released to the public.

I could point out numerous such inconsistencies in the 911myth site but well keep it at that, for now.

 
At 26 May, 2006 16:30, Blogger shawn said...

I could point out numerous such inconsistencies in the 911myth site but well keep it at that, for now.

Oh I get, it's ok for conspiracy theorists to do this, but it's not ok when debunking the conspiracy theories themselves. I love this broken kevlar logic.

 
At 26 May, 2006 17:34, Blogger James B. said...

But the Bollyn article has his mother on record corroborating it. If the 911myth site was factual, there would be some official release Certoff in PM is not actually related to Chertoff in Homeland Security.

Yeah, I am sure getting in arguments with neo-nazi rags is really high on their priority list.

 
At 26 May, 2006 19:01, Blogger nes718 said...

Yeah, I am sure getting in arguments with neo-nazi rags is really high on their priority list.

He went there but didn't really conclude anything, so what's the point? But yeah, "neo-nazis" don't deserve the time of day. I agree, especially if it's THESE kinds of "neo-nazis."

 
At 27 May, 2006 08:10, Blogger shawn said...

I agree, especially if it's THESE kinds of "neo-nazis."

The American people knew about the Holocaust well before the '70s.

Ever heard of a man named Eichmann? He was tried in the 60s, and it was A BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Not to mention all the information coming from the liberated camps in the 40s. Nope, no one heard about that.

 

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